This week we’re excited to talk with Teru Clavel, author of World Class: One Mother’s Journey Halfway Around the Globe in Search of the Best Education for Her Children. Teru shares her family’s 10 year journey through the public schools across Asia and the United States and what she discovered along the way. She also opens up about what it took to become a published author and offers her advice for aspiring authors to follow in her footsteps. Join me for my conversation with Teru Clavel. Next on the Little Inner Voice podcast, the place aspiring entrepreneurs go to create balance, move forward, and live happy. Well, hey there, friend. Good Wednesday morning! Welcome to another episode of The Little Inner Voice podcast. I’m your host, Jason Mueller, and I’m excited to be here with you. We’ve got an amazing guest I can’t wait to share the interview I’ve done with Teru Clavel with you. She just has an amazing story to tell about education, about looking at what works here, what works overseas, and what we can learn from different education systems to help improve the outcomes for our kids. It’s a fascinating story. I think anyone who’s a parent who’s had to think about where they want their kids to go to school, what kind of education they want for their kids, what outcome they’re looking for their kids can instantly relate to to story. But I’m also really excited to talk to her about what it took to become an author. You know, Little Inner Voice is all about helping you take your thing, your passion project, your side, hustle that that thing, that you have a deep burning desire to make real and turn it into a real thriving business. And oftentimes, we focus on more traditional businesses, because that’s kind of my background, but it’s also one of the reasons I wanted to start doing interviews just like the one I’m going to have with Teru later because she took her thing, that passion for education, something that she has had her entire life and didn’t turn it into consultancy, didn’t turn it into a product, she turned it into a book. And I think there are a lot of people out there, you may be one of them, who have a more non traditional business in mind. Maybe it’s something artistic, maybe it’s a research endeavor. And I think this is a great opportunity to look at what your thing could become. It doesn’t have to be something traditional. It doesn’t have to be something that other entrepreneurs might associate with or might feel familiar with. It has to work for you. And so I’m excited to be able to explore that side of things, what it took to become an author, what that process looked like, what she had to go through, what worked, what didn’t, and I’m excited to be able to share those answers with you. Alright, let’s dive into today’s interview. I’m excited to have a conversation today with Teru Clavel. She is the author of World Class: One Mother’s Journey Halfway Around the Globe in Search of the Best Education for Her Children. Teru, thank you so much for joining us on the Little Inner Voice podcast.
Teru Clavel 5:31
Thank you so much for having me, Jason.
We appreciate you coming on and talking about this really interesting topic. First, I’d love to hear a little bit about you, and how you got started on this journey of understanding how the world’s education systems work.
Teru Clavel 5:46
Well, I think it’s probably always been somewhere inside me. I was interested in comparative and international education, which I didn’t even know frankly existed until I looked for a program. Because education fascinates me. I grew up speaking Japanese in my home. My mother is a first generation immigrant from Japan. And I went to school in Japan in the summers. But then I went to school in the US, mostly in the New York tri-state area growing up. So we had this comparative background. And I saw that there was such a difference between what was going on in the classrooms and culturally outside of the classrooms between the US and Japan. But, you know, I knew inside me, I didn’t think I had the patience to be a classroom teacher. So in 2006, I’m going to fast forward. I had two kids, we had the opportunity to move to Hong Kong. And it started this kind of global hide and seek or nomadic parenting and education journey where I was in Hong Kong for four years and I had my third child there and then Shanghai for two years, and then Tokyo for four and then Palo Alto, California for two and then finally came back home to New York. And I say all that because along this journey, I was able to go back to school and I found this thing called getting a master’s in comparative and international education, which then led me to be an education journalist while I was in Asia, and ultimately led me to get a book deal when I came back to the US and then write about it in my in my book, World Class. And my book just came out a few months ago. So it’s been kind of an interesting journey in that it was definitely something that was inside of me the whole time. And then I lived through my children and then turned into a career.
So this is something that’s a decade in the making. It’s a fascinating book, a great read, but I’d love to hear a little bit about that experience of being a mother and having to choose the right educational path for your kids. Obviously, you had the experience of a lot of different influences in your educational life. But what was that like from the other side as a mother?
Teru Clavel 7:55
So that’s a great question and something that I actually just talked about with a friend of mine a couple days ago, who said, “you’re so courageous.” I was like, “What are you talking about?” And he said, “you did so much for your kids.” Because I always put them into the local public schools where we lived, where either I or my children didn’t know the language, we’re in a foreign culture. And to me, it was kind of this no brainer, of course, I’m going to put them in the local schools, I’m not going to put them in international schools, which is where expatriate families typically send their children because it follows the curriculum of their home country. And, to me, it was it was interesting because I also was socialized to be a parent overseas. So while I grew up in a bicultural home in the US, and you know, I, my friends and my peers were either expatriates or natives to the places where we lived. So how I learned to be a mother was through a multicultural lens as well. And so, you know, deciding work and home, that was also very difficult. But then, when we were in Shanghai in 2011, we always came back in the summers. And we had spent one year in Shanghai at that point, we were back the summer of 2011. And I knew that my all three of my children at that point were going to be in school more or less full time. And in Shanghai, they start early because they started two years old. And even though it was just a few hours a day that she was in school, I kind of had this… Okay, what am I going to do because I had a career before I left for Asia in 2006. But then, I followed my husband as basically a trailing spouse to support him and take care of the family in the home. But then by 2011, I said, Okay, I have to do something for me. And that’s what led me to go back to school in comparative international education, because by that point, I had kids who had been in local public schools in Hong Kong and then at that point in Shanghai, and I didn’t know that the next step would then be Tokyo, Japan and then Palo Alto, but it was, it all worked kind of hand in hand together. I guess is the best way to put it. Yeah.
And I’m fascinated by this. I will my family made a voluntary move from kind of rural Minnesota to down in southern Florida recently. So I know at a very superficial level, kind of what that process is of looking for schools, evaluating schools, and that’s within the same country, I can imagine that that process of finding the right place for your kids and that pressure to get that decision, right, because these your kids after all, overseas, it’s got to be challenging, right?
Teru Clavel 10:38
Absolutely. But I will say you know, any move, I mean, it could be within the same state right? You could be just moving to the to the next school district over. They’re challenges because you’re looking for a new home. But the community is different, which means the values and the practices and the people, they can be very, very different. So, you know, in one way, it’s going overseas is very, very challenging. Andyour levels of expectations are very different because you have all these preconceived notions and fantasies about what it may be. But it’s almost harder sometimes, I think when you think, you know, something like if you’re moving within the same country, right. or the or the same state, because you have just a higher level of expectation, because you think your body of knowledge already is so much higher. So I liken your experience to when we move back to the US, but not to New York, we moved to California where I’d never lived before. And I kind of figured, oh, we’re moving back to the US. Like that’s, you know, that’s familiar ground. But in reality, we had been out of the country for 10 years at that point, and a lot changed in the US between 2006 and 2016. I mean, Obama hadn’t even been elected and then we came back and Trump was elected shortly thereafter, and I wasn’t familiar with California. You know? I mean, in my mind it was all these, you know, high school movies and, and palm trees and in the backyard of Stanford University in the in the cradle of Silicon Valley and the reality is often very, very different.
And what was that transition like for both you as a parent and for your kids?
Teru Clavel 12:19
Back to the US? It was really hard and, and I start World Class with this. It was, it was suddenly there’s technology everywhere and in my home because the kids were given school mandated laptops, Chromebooks. And in the classrooms where we were in Asia, there was virtually no technology, especially not computer technology. It was basically just maybe MAYBE a smart board if there even was a smart board, mostly just a overhead projector. And that was very, very shocking. The diversity was also really interesting because my kids hadn’t, well, usually they were kind of the only non native or one of the only non natives in the classrooms. But the diversity also meant that it required many more resources in the US and I hadn’t been in schools that lacked kind of fundamental resources. So, you know, at this at the public schools, there was one counselor for 350 students, if this counselor was even there, because that job needed to be filled sometimes because the counselor would would quit. Or my fifth grader at the time had five classroom teachers. And I mean, I can go on and on… the superintendent stepped down and there was all this upheaval, and I felt like there was these systemic problems that the schools that we had been in, in Hong Kong, Shanghai, and Tokyo just didn’t have on on any level. And the learning expectations overseas in the classrooms, where my kids were educated were just so much higher. So my kids, my boys, who were in fifth grade in seventh grade when we came back, theu were years ahead in math. And that was just shocking to me because I found that the level of expectation was just significantly lower. When we came to to Palo Alto, which you know, was actually maybe arguably ranked, (if you want to believe rankings which actually I realize we should debunk all the rankings at that time but I didn’t know at the time), but Palo Alto Unified School District ranked as a top district in California, which has the largest public school system in the country.
And when you look at that difference between some of the schools in Asia that your kids experience plus Palo Alto and then later New York, is that the big difference? The expectation.
Teru Clavel 14:40
There are a lot of differences. I would say the expectations is definitely one and I feel like a lot of teachers would and I did a ton of research and in the 2017 to 18 academic year I traveled across the country and met with countless teachers, academics who specialize in education, attended conferences, and literally countless school visits across the board, charter public, private, parochial, preschool, elementary, middle and high school. And it’s not… It is the learning expectations and most of these teachers would tell you our expectations have gone down we have so many mandates from the district or the state, our curriculum changes and how to support the students is a big problem because we have a lack of resources, not just in terms of teacher’s timing, time spent in the classroom, but we don’t provide them with professional development, we certainly don’t pay them a cost of living wage that makes them want to stay in the profession, let alone attracting people to want to go into it to begin with. But it’s also, what I just touched upon briefly, I’ve used different verbiage, but the lack of community supports and services is astonishing to me in this country because we do have this diversity which in my mind would require not only universal accessible quality pre-k but social services that don’t exist from, basically prenatal care. And we expect to have this educated population, which in reality indicates that we have an equity problem, because as we know, our schools are predominantly funded by our local tax dollars and then supplemented by the state. And then only 10%, roughly comes from the federal government. So if you don’t have something equalizing the funding and the quality and the accessibility of good schools, youre really only educating those we are in the top 1% or 10% right? Those who are educated, who can afford to live in a higher taxed district. And unfortunately, or fortunately, there’s reproduction theory. If you have, if you have a top quality education, then chances are you have the tools to educate your own children as well.But when we talk about a country as diverse as our own where we have the families that may be highly educated, but maybe they don’t speak English at home. Or maybe they have two working parents, and maybe the parents aren’t home in the evenings. And maybe the parents work, you know, multiple shifts, or maybe there’s one parent or maybe there is no parent. And there’s just so many variations in the US. And we just don’t have the support necessary to give everybody a fair quality opportunity to be educated.
So in your mind, this goes beyond just the schools. It’s the support network. It’s the equity and funding and a lot of other ripple effects from that, correct?
Teru Clavel 17:31
Absolutely. Absolutely. And we don’t we don’t really, and as much as I feel like we don’t equip our teachers, we certainly don’t equip our parents as well. I mean, and I talk about this in World Class, because I had, you know, different expectations as well, when I went to these countries and there was mandated parent education both in Shanghai and in Tokyo. And in Tokyo, in fact, you had to opt out through a written letter to not attend the mandated parent education. So you know, and I tell this story: At my daughter’s preschool where we had to go to this, you know, this parent ed, 2 hour parent Ed session, and you know you’re in these tiny seats you’re in pre k seats, right, you’re in this cold room, and I’m going, what am I going to learn from a 25 year old recent college graduate, you know, and this is my third child and within five minutes, I have my notebook out taking notes profusely, because they were telling me all about the school philosophy and the curriculum and what we could do at home to support the child, what kind of language we should use, what kind of chores the child should do, and this is for, you know, three year old and I thought, this is amazing. And yeah, by the time the kids in Japan are six years old, they are getting to and from school on their own. And that could mean walking and taking a bus or a train. And sometimes these commutes could be an hour long depending on where your child went to school and that’s six years old, so you can imagine how important that education, formal or informal, has to be in Japan to have a sixth grader who can be independent
And as you say, a lot of that spillover kind of leans heavily on the parents. They’re going to have to step in to make sure that the child gets some of those services or some of that support that they may not be getting at a US school. What do you think parents can do to reinforce their children’s school learning in that home environment?
Teru Clavel 19:19
I think that’s a really important question. And I kind of refer to it as the “parent pivot.” Because the parents make all the difference at home and it’s all about reinforcing the value of education from the moment your children can listen to you speak. I mean, it’s literally the value, what are you learning? How are you learning? You know, as a baby, as a toddler, you’re reading to them, you’re talking to them, where are you taking them? What kind of language are you using? Are you using larger than life vocabulary? Are you discussing the books are reading, you know, and that starts really, really, really young and then empowering your kids to do things on their own. So, you know, quality education isn’t just academic, you know, there’s a lot of socialization, morals, ethics values, it goes across the board. And you just have to practice that all the time. And as they get older an example that I use in the workshops that I run, if you just do a simple pie chart, and you don’t have to actually do all the numbers, but you can think about how much time, physical time, you spend doing what and there’s overlap, right, because maybe your kid plays club soccer, and you can easily be spending 20 hours a week on that child soccer. Right? And then what are you talking to your child about? Are you talking about the soccer? And are you talking to the talking them about soccer 40% of the time? 60, 80? And how much are you talking to them about what they’re learning in school, or what book they’re reading or current events? Because what ends up happening is you’re practicing that value and your kids will then most likely share those values and kids regard, I mean, we all do as humans, want validation acknowledgement, right. And if they’re going to feel like winning at that soccer game is more important than how they do at school or what book they’re reading or what they’re learning or who their friends are, then they’re going to put a lot more effort and energy into getting really good at dribbling the soccer ball. Right? As opposed to doing well in school because they want that legitimization from the parent.
In your own family, what does that pie chart look like now? Obviously, your kids are older, but having moved from the Asian school system to a US school system, what does that look like?
Teru Clavel 21:37
Well, so we’ve had the same practice I think from the time that kids were young, and they know that when they sit with me, whether it be during drive time, or if it’s a message, a chat on the phone, or during meals or whatever it may be, we talk about… and I don’t want to just say academic stuff, but they tell me about school and their friends and what they’re learning and how they did on a test, what tests are coming up, they know that that is something that I’m very interested in. And it’s important because if I feel like, or if they feel that they need extra attention or support or they want to learn more about something, I feel like I’m the facilitator. You know, if and here’s another thing, tutoring is not necessarily remedial. And I think there’s an association that it needs to be for kids were falling behind. Tutoring can take on the form of hanging out with a college kid, or if you have an elementary schooler, a high schooler who has knowledge in whatever your child may be interested in. So my middle child, for example, is really interested in astronomy. So when we lived in California, he hung out with an astrophysicist PhD. And so, if you don’t have these conversations, you’re not going to know that, you know, and you’re not going to know that you should maybe get a subscription to Telescope Magazine or maybe for Christmas, they don’t know that they necessarily want to telescope, but they’re really affordable, you know, telescopes that I found on Amazon at least and maybe you get some that, will you get them just a simple chart that shows, you know, the moon cycles, kind of a thing. So it’s just having those conversations and showing that it’s important and when your kids may be struggling, or when they are thriving, supporting them in that as well.
I love that…that idea of exposing kids to things and just giving them role models, giving them other outlets besides kind of a traditional school or even family to support and explore those ideas that they’re getting into. That’s great.
Teru Clavel 23:33
Yeah! And I would also say about the role modeling to I mean, I hear this from countless parents who say, the common one is, “my kid just doesn’t read it. I don’t know why they don’t like it.” And I just say, Well, how much are you reading? I mean, you know, if you’re not going to show your kids that it’s important to you, that’s the hardest nut to crack. You know? And I’m not saying you have to sit there and have two hours of reading time every night but you know, if you travel, you know, or I always say to my kids, you know, don’t go anywhere without a book. Just don’t make your smartphone, you know, the backup to bordem, make it a book, you know, even if they have or don’t have their own iPhone when they say, “Can I can I play on your phone?” No, don’t give it to them. Don’t set up that habit. Set up the habit of take your own book and an open it.
Teru, you obviously have a passion for education. When you and your family moved to Hong Kong back in 2006, was there like a master plan in your mind? Did you have a roadmap for how you wanted to pursue this in a professional setting? Or was this just something that kind of developed as you went?
Teru Clavel 24:39
To me it was… and I am actually very honest about it in my book. We lived in New York City in 2006. And there’s a whole like preschool and admissions race and it’s kind of like the Varsity Blues at the college level. It’s, you know, how do you get your kid into this select elite competitive preschool which will set them up to going to a top elementary, middle, high school. And it just felt so wrong to me and I grew up in that system. I’m very familiar with it. And I just wanted my kids to have a different kind of exposure. So when the opportunity came up for us to go to Hong Kong, it was almost, it was pretty spontaneous. I mean, it was okay, the opportunity came up…(hastily) okay, we’re going and so there wasn’t a lot of forethought. And you know, at that point, I had two kids who are under two years old who were still in diapers. So there wasn’t…I didn’t want… okay I’ll put it this way: my ignorance definitely informed my decision making because I didn’t know any better. To me, it was, I didn’t know what I was leaving. I didn’t know what was going to be in store for me. And that’s a lot of my book, World Class. I talked about the ups and downs because I wasn’t necessarily prepared and as I go through the book, because it goes over 12 years of my life, I hope a reader can see, just like any parent going on the parenting journey, that I grew up and I learn from my mistakes as well. And in my parenting, I just happened to have done it with a with a different set of circumstances.
Tell me a little bit about that book writing process. Where does that actually begin?
Teru Clavel 26:11
So, when I started my masters in 2011, I will again be totally honest that at that point while I had taken creative writing courses through I think it was Gotham Writers Workshop and I taken classes at NYU when I was still in New York City, I didn’t think much… again, my ignorance….I didn’t think much of an online master’s program, I kind of thought, oh, maybe it’ll give me an article to read. And maybe I’ll write, you know, maybe like a paragraph a week, you know, and, at that point, I was going to school, you know, 15 years after I’d graduated from college, so I hadn’t done very much academic anything in the interim. And so I get my first week of class, you know, my coursework and everything else, and I’m freaking out, right. I’m like, I’m so old school. At this point. everybody already knows how to use Evernote and online note to And screenshots and PDF, this, that, and the thing and, and I’m like oh my god, I need a printer and I started printing out all the articles and I’m highlighting and total old school you know, and taking notes which I think actually it was was wonderful because I retained so much more of that information as opposed to the stuff that I later did do completely online. But in terms of the writing, that’s what really got my butt in gear because I started writing all the time, essays, papers, key learning points, debates, online posts, I mean, it was just, it was constant and I, there wasn’t a week that I probably that went by that I didn’t read maybe at least 30, 40, 50 academic articles a week and that was on top of my textbook required reading so when you start reading such well written work and then you are expected to produce it and it’s for two solid years that really got me going. And then I had this break before my graduation paper and it’s not a dissertation because it’s not a PhD and it’s more than a thesis, but it was basically I think about a 200 page document. But I needed approval from the US because I was researching with children and it was in Japanese, the research, and so anyway, I had this basically one to two month window where I wasn’t doing any graduate school work. And it was driving me crazy because I was used to working in such a kind of a frenetic pace. And so I’m like, I’m going to start writing articles and sending them you know, op-ed pieces and sending them to media outlets. And that literally morphed into, it fell into my lap, becoming a regular writer for the Japan Times and becoming thier education writer for them with my own byline, which then morphed into doing TV work because then CNBC contacted me and then CBS This Morning, because I think I was one of the few people in Japan who could speak English who could discuss how education related to business and finance or international student travel. And so they interviewed me. So it happened very organically. And then when I came to the US, I was like, oh, even though I thought maybe I had a book in me and in 2014, it was only when I got to the US in 2018 and understood the US parent reader demographic, and had kids in US public schools that I say, Aha, this is it. I know exactly the book I have to write because now I understand the challenges that you as parents face in educating and raising their own children.
And how did you get connected then with Simon & Schuster?
Teru Clavel 29:38
So at that point, I was already… how old was? I was in my early 40s. And you know, I have three kids, I lived in the suburbs, I was driving them around everywhere. I mean, you know, typical suburban, I don’t want to say soccer mom, but I probably fit the bill. And I said, you know what, a lot of people will say, never as first time author pitch anything unless you have a completed manuscript. And I said, Are you kidding me? I don’t have time to write a complete manuscript for it to get rejected everywhere! You know, I’m a mom, I have a gazillion things to do. And at the time, I actually had started my second master’s, but this time the masters was in teaching, it was an MA, versus an MS, which is a master’s in science, which was my first masters. And I was so busy and I said, Okay, I’m doing this off a book proposal, which is basically a business plan for a book, but you also have a few sample chapters in it. And so everybody said, it’s never going to work. But I had a book proposal. I worked on it for intensely for maybe a few months, not even intensely, but I worked on it for maybe six months, and then seriously for a few months, and I had this proposal. I had a list of agents that I wanted to pitch and my book I felt like fit into three genres. It fit into memoir or parenting or narrative nonfiction. So I pitched according to Publishers Marketplace , which is a which is an author/agent publisher database, at the time the top three agents in those categories. And everybody says, don’t expect a reply. And what you send them in the pitch materials is also very different. Some want to sample chapters, some don’t, some say they’re never going to get back to you if they’re not interested. Some say they’re going to take eight weeks, but typically you’re just waiting for rejection. And I had also gone to writers conferences summer before for kind of newbie writers that takes place in August. And I think it’s run by Writer’s Digest, I highly recommend anybody who wants to write a book to go to that. And it’s very humbling because there are thousands and thousands of authors or writers who are trying to become published authors. And it’s very humbling because there are ton of people out there who come from all over the country who want to do this. So that’s all to say, I send it out. I forget what night of the week it was but it was a it was a week night and I send it out at, I don’t know, it was like maybe seven or 8pm, California time. An that night, I had one offer representation based on my proposal. And then within a week I had four offers a representation of the nine or 10 or so agents that I pitched so that that gave me a huge confidence boost, because apparently that never happens. Of course, it happens sometimes. But I was definitely an outlier in that sense, but it was, I thought, okay, so I have something here. And I signed with the agent that I wanted to sign with. And we pitched it out to, we tweaked the proposal and sent it out to editors at publishing houses. And there were a few that were interested. So I was very lucky again, it was auctioned, and I was able to work with the editor that I really wanted to work with so I was in. I’m not going to say there wasn’t a lot of rejection because for any of your listeners who may be thinking about writing a book or anybody who’s in a creative field, there’s so much rejection along this path. I don’t want to say that, oh, I got my agent and it was really easy. And because once I get the agent, the agent sends it out to, I want to say 30 different editors, and it’s mostly rejections that are coming in, although it sounds great that my book went to auction, which is absolutely wonderful, I got dozens of rejections. And it hurts. It hurts. I mean, it hurts. Yeah, so.
So I mean, just from an outsider listening to this story, it sounds like some of the keys here were you were someone who was obviously well versed, had a lot of experience of the subject matter, you wrote like crazy you know, any opportunity you got, you were writing. You shared a lot of your personality and you didn’t let something that may you weren’t… you knew enough to get started, but you didn’t let a lack of complete knowledge stop you from taking action.
Teru Clavel 34:07
I would say that’s true. I tried to get as much information as I could. And I kind of went with my gut when the timing was right. I knew I had to send the proposal when I did. And in the back of my mind, I knew that I was going to be giving up finishing my second masters, which was, you know, I don’t want to think of myself as a quitter. But it was, you know, half my Masters still sitting there. And it’s a big tuition fee that I kind of just left on the table. But as much as I didn’t know, I did what I felt was right at the time because you can’t always go… people I don’t think ever can go on 100% information, right? You may have to go on 60%. And I also had a kind of a mission and my drive was from: I knew I had to tell my story because my experience in Palo Alto Public Schools was so counter to the positive experience that I had had in Asia with my children that I felt this social responsibility to write the book. So if I didn’t have that, I don’t know if I could have survived. But at the same time, I had nothing to lose. I think it’s tougher to be a champion and then to have to try to maintain your title as opposed to someone who has never had a book published. I had nothing I had to prove to anybody other than to myself. And so I think, you know, now that I have a book published, it’s almost, you know, it’s this double edged sword where it’s like, okay, so can I do it again? It’s kind of like after you have a baby, the moment you have one, someone’s like, Oh, well, I can get pregnant again. It’s like, Are you kidding me? This was just traumatic. I can’t do that. So I kind of feel like I’m going through that. But still having like a little bit of a fire in my belly that yeah, I know what my next projects have to be and I have to get out there and write again, but then there’s that worry that maybe it’ll be a flop this book and maybe nobody wants to publish it. But then you kind of feel like okay, well, I am a published author, so maybe I have the street cred to be able to do that again.
So the last question I want to ask you, we ask this of all of our guests. You’ve learned a lot of lessons along the way here on this journey, both as an author as a mother, what one lesson would you say you wish you would have learned earlier because it would have made a huge difference in your career?
Teru Clavel 36:24
The first thing that comes to mind is I would have asked for help sooner, and I’ve learned now that networking and meeting people is vital. But I didn’t necessarily do it to the maximum potential that I could have. And I do think that that’s so important because I tend to be the kind of person who wants to do it on my own. Not because I don’t like people or that I’m not sociable because I am very sociable, but I I thought I had to do it on my own. I had to prove that I could do this on my own without any help from anybody. And that’s not the right way to look at it. People want to help. And they help you, you help them. And it becomes a much stronger symbiotic relationship and then network that you can build. And I and I wish someone had or I wish I had known to kind of disaggregate the two that just because you’re asking for help doesn’t mean you’re weak.
Sounds like a great lesson a lot of people should learn. Well Teru Clavel, author of World Class: One Mother’s Journey Halfway Around the Globe in Search of the Best Education for Her Children. We appreciate your time and giving so generously today.
Teru Clavel 37:40
I appreciate your time as well, Jason. Thank you for having hosted me.
If you’re at all interested in education, or what different systems around the world look like, I highly recommend you check out Teru’s book, World Class. Well, that’ll do it. Thank you so much for joining us today. This has been a great show. I’m excite that we have the opportunity to talk about becoming an author, what that journey looks like. And I hope that if that’s something you’re interested in this is inspired you to take that next step. To understand there are going to be ups and downs, there will be challenges. Sometimes things aren’t going to go your way. But if you keep moving forward, if you keep writing, if you keep taking action, you’re eventually things are going to happen. Friends, I hope you have a fantastic and productive week this week. Join us next Wednesday for a brand new episode of The Little Inner Voice podcast.
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